Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. For me the strongest clue that not anything sinister happened is that the family refused to have ALL photos released because some show the girls in a very rough state. There is an illustration drawn on Kriss back in the hair photo. No way would I walk down that path. Give me a link. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been . This makes no sense. Jane, Recently I have been reading that it is not unusual for people that hike or run in dangerous places and go missing that a shoe with a foot is found. Someone with darkish skin. You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. You can find more information about on this article: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/02/24/kremers-froon-new-case-data-timestamps-of-missing-daytime-photos/. to Kris left is a huge dark area that has been poorly obscured with pixellation. Again, these are just observations. September 1, 2022. A table of photo data from their hike on El Pianista Trail: New Case Data: Timestamps Of Missing Daytime Photos. If you can rule out getting lost or falling off the trail in that circle, all my money is on foul Hi Chris, I agree that discussion should be civil but this comment section has turned into something which I consider to be absolutely ridiculous. Could be that they were trying to avoid somebody on the trail, went off the oath & got lost. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. Wonder if this case has any similarities? Nobody knows what happened to Kris and Lisanne and everything is open to speculation until more information is found. The families continued to plead with the U.S. government to send equipment and personnel to aid in the search and recovery effort. Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. He threatened them with a machete, and led them to a sacrificial alter. The timing of the photos is incorrect, the resolution of the photos was altered to remove detail (which is why the public only has poor quality photos) and sometimes the photos were different sizes/dimensions. If a cave was found that would be big news and there could be DNA evidence inside it. The camera and photos were tampered with with photos removed and other photos cropped and reduced in size. I knew there was a lot of interest in the case but I never expected to find a sophisticated group collaborating at this level. Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. In this case, I dont believe it was incompetence alone. Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. The area behind Kris is quite shadowed, but this seems to me to be more likely dense foliage than a cave. Search parties are looking for her. You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. Realizing just how much trouble these two could have been in. Also, #509 was deleted after all of the other photos were taken, which means someone went back and deleted it after all of the nighttime photos were taken. They took a swim before the trip with to local young man the same day they went in the forest. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. Its texture and color seemingly resembles the red bag tied to the SOS stick on the rock later on, imo. I never received a response. Why werent those outgoing calls being completed? It needs to be stressed that while the AI upsampled image looks impressive, it cannot and does not recover any lost information. Do they know more than we do? It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. Perhaps this was a cave hang-out spot used by local teenagers. This means either the user became incapacitated and was not operating the phone or was seriously confused. Wearing minimal clothing, no knife of compass which were left in their room. There is nothing ominous or cause for concern in this particular pic. What is that clear brown glass-looking circle in the upper righthand corner? There are a lot of different indigenous tribes of Panama, most of which are peaceful. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. For one, the girls' camera had photos on it from hours after they stopped dialing emergency services. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. Has anyone gone back to the spot where the photo was taken? Thanks for your interest in the case and providing some input. Theres no denying that the face looks skewed and mask like. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. For goodness sake, why do people make things up? I am assuming that the rock painting you refer to is the round orange patch on the right. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. She ties the red bags to branches so they can spot her if they get near. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been recovered, officials said. Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. https://i.postimg.cc/3xK4Pdmb/Kris-Kremers-Full-Photo-Highest-Res-auto-x1-1-photos-v2-faces-x2-colored-toned.jpg. I noticed this too. Or locals found the bodies and stole the bag and items. Notice how Juan has actively injected false information into the public investigation, including a picture of 4 people standing in a pond with heavily photo edited faces (one of them has their head moved off of the neck in a very obvious edit). All facts are not available in this case. It took us quite some time to get there.". Its interesting numerous people have contacted me anonymously and informed me that there are already multiple existing research teams that are investigating this case privately. Thanks for sharing this info. Thank you for reading. Hi Marie, Theres no evidence that points to the dog being with them. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. I implore those who are intrigued by this to read his books. They are 99.999999% preventable. Btw, phones will connect to emergency services with or without sim card being present. Between taking the last foto (Nr 508) at 12:54 local time and the first SOS call at 16:39 local time something happened. Dimedes Abrego - 12 years in prison. After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. i found it hard to understand and pickup any of the highlighted objects.i grew up in a tropical country and spent a lot of my childhood exploring woods and secondary jungles around my home with my friendsthe way i see it is that the girl have encountered a thick unpenetrable undergrowth at the end of some sort of a gorge.maybe in an effort to find a way through or out of it.when youre at ground level in a jungle its just a green world and colour hues jumbled up in some sort of a mess.and after a while you started noticing odds shapes n colours through the leavesoccassinally there will be thrash thrown around.just my thoughts. Shes been beaten into submission. I was surprised to learn that. Occums razor. Where is the Ping for that time? Does anyone know where this photo was taken in relation to their happy photos taken at the top of the Continental divide? Only a handful of the pictures retrieved from the memory card showed clear images, with most showing near-complete darkness. I am trying not to speculate but where is the firm incontrovertible starting point? Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. The final photo may have been eliminated after thought by the still remaining friend, as it may have been too traumatic for her. That is the big picture of this case. The BLUE object on ground could be a BRA. Like a trap net or something. I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. Froons bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally, but Kremerss bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in their deaths. There is an international consortium working behind the scenes to slowly and methodically continue the investigation. Tourism in Panama represents one of Panama's main activities. Where is YNW Melly? P.S. Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now. Most fingers seem to point to the Panama authorities, who have also been blamed for a poor initial search in the immediate days after the disappearance. Sue Borries and Debra Ann Velleman are pictured in undated composite image. Shes just exploring. The main areas of tourism in the country focus on business tourism, beaches, health and trade. Especially the one where Kris is holding a water bottle 30-40ft from the photo-taker. Sorry to bring up the dog again. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. People have been there. It has to be her arm and hand that are blocking that part of her shirt. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). 1. To Janice To me it looks as if shes holding up one hand cupping her ear as if to hear something being shouted to her. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? Basically, theres a lot of government corruption and poverty as a result. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? Meanwhile, on April 2, 2014, the pairmissed their appointment with their hired tour guide. People usually have dogs for a mild form of protection. The rich live in gated communities. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. Kris walks down the ravine and bends over to examine orange graffiti (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). What you are seeing is simply from the pattern of the foliage and shadows and light patterns impacting on the image. Only returning them in hopes of getting the reward. Its so cold. Why IMG_0509 is missing, which could be a crucial piece of evidence, is an enigma. Or if someone deleted them? For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. He even found pictures of the suspect and a local model wearing Kriss blue shirt right after the disappearance. Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. This is speculation. The theory of being lost is so plausible in a Jungle but then the photos .. the speculation can never end. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. I am Photoshop expert, and I promise you that its virtually impossible to edit images in any way without it being noticeable at the pixel level. These are more unanswered questions that we may never know. 2. The last photo of Kris on the rocks doesnt appear to have any evidentiary value to me. Shadow play back and forth, I find it more than weird that you can clearly see the number 5. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. Patients often tell our staff about finding the corpses of people who have suffered fatal falls or drowned in swollen rivers. And if there would be any clue in them that the girls were hurt intentionally, the parents would not stop being vocal about it. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. In which photos? They very quickly realized that they could not find the point where they entered the jungle and if they were in trouble, and that is when the 911 calls started. Hi Jim, That particular photo was supposed to have been taken at 1.20 pm. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. Yes, I think its the entrance to a short cave. Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. Even a subtle untimely laugh behind a mans back in Latin America can create a hostile situation if the women were alone later. Seriously? I find it really creepy, but maybe Im looking at it wrong due to shadows and light. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. I hope justice is found for these girls, so very sad & just horrifying. Who would do this, and why? Hard noncontroversial evidence is very limited and what there is is open to interpretation. Panamanian screwed up the investigation monumentally, but I would think that the private detectives followed up all the leads: after all, they were getting paid a lot of money for it. Yes, exactly. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. This was incredibly naive but then they only just arrived.. What took them past the divide? I think this photo in particular is odd. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html Also, I do not know about the girls living situation and the relationship between the girls and the owner. The dogs just do what they want to do. In fact, Im almost certain of it. God only knows how many people theyve done this to in the last decade. Theres no telling how many people touched it before the police got it. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. That would account for a canopy structure being built there. ABC News had previously reached out to the U.S. Embassy in Panama for comment but did not receive a response. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Probably something like peanut butter, which is a typical energy-dense low cost food carried by people who are traveling light. Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. There's no telling how many ships or planes have "disappeared" in the Bermuda Triangle, but the U.S. Navy estimates that around 50 ships and 20 aircraft have gone missing there. If anything, that is an evidence that they were taking more risks than a regular tourist/hiker, so being lost and/or injured seems to me much more reasonable explanation (than murdered) based on that. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. Or is it all part of a cover-up? On one website, almost every user is convinced, that all the daylight pictures were photoshopped, even this one here, No.505. Like you would get from being hit. Does anyone else see what looks like the back of someones head, their bare back and arm inside the manmade circular object? It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. I think that Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon underestimated their surroundings and were ill prepared for this adventure. 90% take place right here in the US in state parks. They added a caution sign after their disappearance for this exact reason. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. On closer inspection this and the cave photo appear heavily manipulated. It looks like an indigenous person with shiny black hair walking away from Kris. no, Jaguars fear humans and do not hunt them as tigers do in India. Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. Perplexing to say the least. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? To me, this photo says it all. Looks like shes holding her hand up to shield her eyes. My interest would be to see if its scientifically possible for the official theory to have happened. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Could be leaves, I suppose, but to me it looks like someone is looking at the them from the vegetation. But so much of this search/investigation was poorly executed. They are really good, especially parts 3 and 4, which give a lot of information about the girls photos. Even though both kept contact with their families daily through messaging and calls? I never noticed this before The non-waterproof lycra backpack mysteriously shows up, with completely dry contents. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. They were only 2 weeks into their trip and only on their 4th day in Boquete so they were innocents abroad and would have been broadcasting that to all who cared to look. Looks like some of sort of indigenous artifact/trail marker. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. Most dog owners here do not use a leash when walking their dogs. 1 reason tourists sometimes annoy residents. They maintained a great deal of secrecy and privacy and never officially published any information. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. All comments are held for moderation prior to being published. Kids in the area could have found the backpack and were just messing around with the camera. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. The goal wouldnt be to identify suspects or disrupt anyones life. Who did the manipulation of course is a mystery but it points to being a corroboration of the police narrative that they got lost. Constance Marten seen leaving court after appearing before magistrates charged with manslaughter of baby, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon blow each other a kiss in dock before court hears dead baby was found in bag in shed, Mum identified after dead baby is found on Canford Heath, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). You will notice another branch of dead leaf just below it. Theres some orange with white dots. The photo to me appears that she simply is bending over to get the sun out of her eyes, with her right hand help up to shield the sun. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. They should be alive and flourishing today. Certainly this could have been due solely to incompetence alone, but they ignored performing relatively simple investigation tasks more than once. 1. But there are a few holes in this particular theory. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. I would like to know the answer to that question also. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Her stance is weird there is nothing of note she could be looking at and it is difficult to tell what her right arm is doing. Ive removed their comment and blocked them from reposting. the only strange element in this photo is the distance. Hope this was not a member of one of those mad religious sects that, over the years, have been torturing and killing people in Panama. Police searches have found nothing and now his mother is flying out to try to find him. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. Would like to know exactly where and when the final day photo was taken. Missing Lynn Haven juveniles. But by April 6, the girls were still missing. After the alarm was raised on April 2, a search party was sent to look for them but nothing was found until ten weeks later when a local woman who found Froons blue backpack turned it in to authorities. How many tourists go to Australia? One showed Kremers with what looked like concern on her face,dated around the time of the emergency calls. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your interest in the case. I think most of what people are seeing -other than the obvious, of course- is pareidolia. On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru Volcano in Boquete. At the beginning of this video I think I see some blue dye/paint/powder on one of the mens legs and something blue on the floor. Seems weird. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 Despite search teams, which included dogs and helicopters, there were no . The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. Like local tribesmen. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. They were obviously following a trail, and most trails are made by humans, so human presence would be expected, I think. Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! 3. Im happy my work could shed some light on the possible items in the picture. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. The case needs solid evidence and/or solid witnesses coming forward. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. So, their work was good but not perfect. Not saying that its impossible, but very VERY difficult to edit photos seamlessly. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? Perhaps this is someone who had already joined them along the trail, and that only one of the girls was cool with the third party thats why the complete change from the first exuberant pictures. You mention the research team. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. You can bet your life if someone was with them at that point, then they were the culprits who had something to do with the girls disappearance. After frolicking in the sun and taking photos for a while they decided it was time to return home, BUT they had no idea where they entered the jungle so they could not find the way out of the jungle back go to the trail. Hi Carin, thanks for your comment. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. In this photo is another object (or two? This! Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. How long have Keir Starmer and Sue Gray been secretly cooking up their plot? It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. Interesting that you. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? Both of their phones finally ran out of battery by April 11 - ten days after they disappeared. Also, the parents did not release all the images. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. So, if the dog went on the hike with the girls, its most likely that the owners would not have known that fact. Why? When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. Of course, there are always exceptions. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. JW, I agree with you totally, thanks for your intelligent remarks! What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. Why would that be? Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. I have read several of the books. The lower orange being around the belly area. It seems likely it was tribal. If a picture is deleted from a camera, its still possible to retrieve it. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. I cant explain it but again it resembles so many of the bizarre cases which author and former cop David Paulides has brought (thousands of these similar events) right here in the US and Canada. Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason.
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